and we really see an environment here where it's really going to be a golden age for individual -- >> like which ones? >> stock selection and active managers. >> pin it down. give us some names. >> okay. well, we like the theme of oil by rail. trinity industries which makes cars that move rail. we like a derivative of the housing recovery briggs & stratton. we also like names where there is kind of secular growth opportunities and we see a shoe carnival as a small retailer regardless of what happens with the consumer we think they can really grow their store base and do it all organically. >> got it. >> shoes on a ship? >> shoe carnival. >> marc travis does the dow get back to the record high in the next week or next week or two and then what happens? >> you know, i would hesitate to annualize up 6% for january. you know, i'm like eric. i'm searching for equity securities where there is a discount between price and value. i would differ a little bit with eric in the small cap space. if you look at the russel 2000 it trades at 16 times operating income. the inverse of that is 6.25, whi